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1 Super Annoying Extremenist Views
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2 Lisa Simpson Backlash It's Only A Cartoon
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3 Vegetarianism Spoiling Homer's BBQ
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4 No Longer Bart's Foil Cares More About Causes Than Ruining His Plans
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5 Day 1 Annoying From The Start
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6 We get it... She's an annoying liberal.
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1 Wow, some great stuff here guys! ExplodingConsole sums it up though--Lisa Simpson is now merely a cartoon mouthpiece for the liberal writers to prosetylize. It's the same reason Family Guy BTF (Brian and Lois are the mouthpieces there). Makes me glad I was never into the Simpsons. Oh, and I agree about the paragraph thing. -- Submitted By: (DolFan316) on June 1, 2011, 8:05 pm - (0 votes) - Login to Vote
2 I haven't watched the Simpsons in some time to be honest. As for Bart being a jerk, remember the vacation episode where Bart embarrassed Lisa in front of the new friends she made. He did it because he was jealous of her, he felt she was a nerd and was faking being cool or, I dunno, some other reason that seemed logical at the time but was in reality stupid. Granted, he felt genuinely bad when he realized he'd hurt her. Yes, he took action to fix things but it still, his initial actions were wrong. Or, in the Thanksgiving episode where Bart ruined Lisa's centrepiece, didn't care and got all upset when the adults yelled at time. He eventually ran away, still not seeing the error of his ways. It wasn't until Lisa finally sat him down and talked him that he saw it from her point of view, realized what a jerk he'd been and apologized. Granted, teaching someone to not do bad things out of 'how would you feel if someone did that to you?' is worlds better then making them not do it out of fear of someone retaliating. And yes, Lisa also felt terrible when Bart ran away. IIRC, feeling that it wasn't worth losing her brother over a centrepiece, even when he was in the wrong. In the Science Fair episode, remember that Lisa did make her experiment "Is my brother dumber then a Hamster?". Although Bart did ruin her previous experiment, so, he kinda deserved it. Also remember in the episode where Bart lost out on the trip the chocolate factory, Lisa was smug about Bart missing out on the bus and even felt he deserved to miss out on the trip. Her attitude was it was the only way he'll learn. I don't recall him doing anything to her in that episode. One thing I've noticed about Lisa vs Bart. When Bart is the villain, it's usually more sibling rivalry stuff. The kinda stuff one looks back at as an adult and wants to smack themselves for doing. I think part of the issue with Lisa is that we're supposed to sympathize with Bart, even when he's a jerk. So, when he's a jerk, we cringe at how he can be such a jerk. However, they don't glorify it. They take the attitude that he's being a jerk and it's wrong. With Lisa, they've turned her into the annoying teenager (even though she's a kid) that's learned a bit about environmental stuff etc. that demands we do things the way she think is right. She doesn't take into consideration that if changing things for the better were so easy and worked just as well as the bad for the environment ways that we'd have all done it by now. However, as I've said before and want to elaborate, Lisa is also the victim here. They're using her as a puppet for those views. Btw, is there any way to get paragraphs working? Posts would look much better if they weren't all one big block of text. -- Submitted By: (ExplodingConsole) on May 30, 2011, 3:54 pm - (1 votes) - Login to Vote
3 People still watch because...I don't know. I stopped watching regularly around 2000, vowing never to watch a new episode again after "That 90s Show". You know, I did some deep thinking after reading these comments. I come to the conclusion that maybe it's not Lisa we hate, but instead, we hate what she's become. As ExplodingConsole pointed out, Bart can be a jerk too. After ruining her babysitting service, Bart apologized, and I remember thinking, "That's nice, but saying you're sorry isn't going to bring back Lisa's babysitting service." But all was forgiven when she got two calls asking for her help. Before that, Bart ruined her science fair project (I know, who can resist throwing a tomato that size at the principal's butt when he's bending over?) then hijacked her hamster experiment and took first prize. I felt bad for her. When an aptitude test pegged her as a homemaker, she went bad, then stole the teachers' editions. Bart had a great chance to turn his life around, but took the fall so Lisa could have a bright future. This was possibly the biggest sacrifice Bart ever made for Lisa, and I felt bad for him. But at least Bart becomes chief justice of the supreme court when he grows up. Lisa's not the only one who's taken a turn for the worse: while she's gotten self-righteous, Bart went from a menace with some good in him to a jerk who's almost as stupid as Homer. Homer's gone from a dopey dad who at least cared for his family to a selfish jerk and a complete idiot. The reason Lisa's singled out is because her holier-than-thou attitude is more annoying than stupidity. Nobody likes a mouthpiece character, which includes Brian from Family Guy. We want to be entertained, not told what to think! Marge and Maggie are the only ones who haven't really changed. For now... And PYLrulz, you're right: I think the only time South Park refused to see the other side of the issue--and rightfully so--was the NAMBLA episode. When the leader says he "learned something today", Kyle replies: "Dude..you tried to have sex with children!" And Stan says something like, "We're all for tolerance, but **** you!" -- Submitted By: (Robert) on May 30, 2011, 11:02 am - (1 votes) - Login to Vote
4 And folks still watch this cartoon because. ..why again? -- Submitted By: (Pelirojo) on May 29, 2011, 8:53 pm - (2 votes) - Login to Vote
5 There are two trains of argument on this board. One, that the character has become excessively, irritatingly strident and self-righteous over the years; and two, that these traits are being spun in a positive way by the show's producers because she is voicing their own views. From what little of the show I see these days, I can see plenty of evidence to support the first claim, and rather little to support the second (at least insofar as the more sharply leftwing stances are presented as how we viewers ought to think). And if the second claim were in fact accurate, the fault rightly belongs with the producers rather than with their mouthpiece character. -- Submitted By: (Soggy9000) on May 27, 2011, 7:35 pm - (1 votes) - Login to Vote
6 Robert described it best. When South Park pushes something, they either rip on something that everybody knows is whacked out, or if its something more sensible, and you disagree... hey, fine, thats cool, we all have opinions. When Lisa does something, its "My way or the highway". -- Submitted By: (PYLrulz) on May 27, 2011, 6:28 pm - (1 votes) - Login to Vote
7 I consider myself fairly left when it comes to environmentalism and far-left when it comes to animal rights-- and she even annoys me at times. I think it's the snobbish arrogance that she frequently displays. It's not always political. On South Park, Stan and Kyle would say, "You know what guys, maybe..." whereas Lisa has said things like, "When will these fools learn that..." -- Submitted By: (Travoltron) on May 27, 2011, 2:51 pm - (1 votes) - Login to Vote
8 Remember though with the wacking day episode, Bart helped as well. Remember that it was Bart that pointed out the inconsistencies in the history books that proved that wacking day was a sham. And yes, Bart was acting like a jerk (beyond jerk) in the babysitting episode. While I can understand why he was so upset, it doesn't make his actions right or acceptable. He was justified in his indignation. However, acting as he acted only served to show that he *really* needed a babysitter. Notice however that when Bart goes with Lisa as an equal that his behaviour and intellect are often considerably better. Also don't forget what Bart did in the episode where Lisa was rebelling and took the teachers copies of the text books. I've also noticed that there is one word that can often sum up why Bart misbehaves when he misbehaves: Homer. Notice that when Lisa uses her indignation and morals for good and Bart is on her side and they work together that they make a pretty kick-ass team? Then again, Homer is the same guy that said "Bart can kiss my hairy yellow butt" when Marge expressed worry that Bart would be jealous of Lisa (i.e., when Lisa was born. Homer also declared Lisa to be wave of the future when her intelligence was blooming. When Bart was at the same time starting to have issues, Homer took an attitude of writing Bart off as a failure. Bart Simpson strikes me as the kind of person that could be a good kid. Heck, he could be a damn good and smart kid (let's just forget that Simpson gene garbage they came up with in that one episode) if it wasn't for bad influences like Homer and the bullies. Lisa in encouraged to be the best she can be while Bart is encouraged to be an ass. Notice that in early episodes, they had Bart and Lisa being successful as an adult? Later ones have Bart being more of a failure and Lisa more successful. Perhaps the problem with Lisa isn't Lisa per say. It's that they're making Bart and Homer look increasingly worse to make Lisa look better. Everyone has become caricatures of themselves. Lisa is a victim of the same issue Homer is once you get down to it. -- Submitted By: (ExplodingConsole) on May 27, 2011, 12:56 pm - (1 votes) - Login to Vote
9 Lisa wasn't always bad, but they made her that way. She used to be the voice of reason, just like Marge. I think another reason people resent Lisa could stem from once liking her as the voice of reason and seeing she's de-evolved into a crazed activist. Stan and Kyle (usually) don't ram their ideas down the viewers' throats, they just "learned something today". Speaking of South Park, I see a comparison between Lisa's vegetarianism vs the South Park boy's vegetarianism: Lisa ruins Homer's BBQ, the boys steal calves from a veal farm. Both Lisa and the boys disrespect their parents (Stan even tells his parents to "kiss [his] ass"). Lisa's still a vegetarian, the boys stopped after Stan got sick from it. Lisa was never punished for what she had done. The boys, however, were punished despite "learning something today". When it comes to their opinions, Lisa is hyper-left, while the boys are more balanced. If they were to suddenly tilt hyper-right, there's a good chance they'd be hated as much as Lisa. Perhaps more so. Also, considering how awful the Simpsons had gotten in the past decade--and STILL being kept on the air--it's not hard to see why people have more respect for Parker and Stone than they do for Groening. When Parker and Stone do an episode with a political message, I hear: "Here's what we think about it. If you don't agree with us, OK, fine." Unlike Lisa, in which disagreeing with her means you are "wrong, wrong, WRONG!" -- Submitted By: (Robert) on May 27, 2011, 12:38 pm - (0 votes) - Login to Vote
10 PYLrulz: "When Parker and Stone usually portray their opinions through South Park, they are usually sensible..." Sure, they are sensible to you, and they are sensible to me - but they aren't sensible to everyone. Again, I want to establish whether the complaints on this page are about producers of animated shows who give us their political opinions, or about producers of animated shows who give us LIBERAL political opinions. -- Submitted By: (Soggy9000) on May 27, 2011, 1:01 am - (0 votes) - Login to Vote
11 P.S I don't hate Lisa herself because she's just a cartoon and she's 8 years old but I find her some quirks very annoying like some of Brain (from Family Guy) quirks is annoying from time to time. -- Submitted By: (SSM) on May 26, 2011, 6:44 pm - (2 votes) - Login to Vote
12 Lisa can have some good points and a good reason to complian or protest like the time Marge was in the hospital and Bart and Homer is too lazy so Liza tricked them to believe they were sick because they never done housework. Or the time when she babysat Bart and Bart is acting like a jerk (even though it was funny), or when she wanted to create a doll to insirpe little girls to be more than to be some bimbo housewife. Also like Robert said before the wacking day episode but she is annoying when pushing her views down everyone throats like the infamous BBQ Episode with the pig or when Ned just wanted the schools to teach creativism but she doesn't want creativism at all, they were teaching both (evoltion and creativism) at least to have a comprimise and a open mind but Lisa doesn't think both should exist just one, she even wants Marge to choose one she Marge doesn't see what wrong teaching both. It backfried on Lisa however and got rid of evlovtion instead. -- Submitted By: (SSM) on May 26, 2011, 6:32 pm - (2 votes) - Login to Vote
13 I've said it before. When Parker and Stone usually portray their opinions through South Park, they are usually sensible, and anybody on the other side they are goofing on are usually the nuts to begin with anyway. Lisa on the other hand, as I have said, started out ok, but now can't stand because of her portrayal of some super left whacko at times (note, I am neither right or left when it comes to politics, so I'll get that out of the way right now) -- Submitted By: (PYLrulz) on May 26, 2011, 2:42 pm - (2 votes) - Login to Vote
14 Granted, I don't watch the show as much as I used to, so maybe I'm a bit behind the times here. But in the past, Lisa usually HAS been the voice of reason. (Except when her idealism proves unrealistic.) But then, so are Stan Marsh and Kyle Broflovski of South Park, at least by the end of each episode (when one of them gives us the "I've learned something important today" speech). How many of you who gripe at Lisa Simpson being positioned as a fount of wisdom have the same complaint about Stan and Kyle? Could it be that Parker & Stone are worthier than Groening & Brooks of feeding us their opinions because their opinions are closer to ours......? (Just a thought.) -- Submitted By: (Soggy9000) on May 26, 2011, 1:01 am - (2 votes) - Login to Vote
15 True, Lisa's just an annoying cartoon character, and she's supposed to be a self-righteous holier-than-thou type, but they rarely portray her as that. Most of the time, she's portrayed as a hero whose beliefs are never wrong (OK, she's RARELY wrong). It's that part which we don't appreciate: Nobody likes having other people's opinions rammed down their throats, hence why many dislike/hate Lisa. In her defense, there were times when she was right: like protesting Whacking Day and trying to find out who shot Mr. Burns. As for the future Wilma Flintstone trial, she doesn't ram her opinions down our throats. We the jury find Wilma Flintstone: Not Guilty! -- Submitted By: (Robert) on May 25, 2011, 9:03 pm - (1 votes) - Login to Vote
16 Let's face it, it is indeed true that Lisa Simpson is a fictitious character. She's a figment of the writer's imaginations. The only difference between her and any other imagined person is that they've animated and publicly displayed her. It is indeed silly to be jealous of or to dislike Lisa when everything about her is imagined. She's as smart as the writers decide she'll be for that episode. Everything she says and does is all part of a script. Perhaps we should also take another thing into consideration. If Lisa is indeed a parody of intelligent/prodigy type kids then remember that her behaviour and/or making Bart/Homer look bad in order to make Lisa look good makes Lisa look bad too. The sad fact is, Lisa is as much of a victim of being an annoying character as the other characters (and viewers) that need to put up with her crap are. -- Submitted By: (ExplodingConsole) on May 25, 2011, 4:37 pm - (2 votes) - Login to Vote
17 I disagree that she is supposed to be annoying. I think the idea, in the beginning at least, was that we were supposed to feel sorry for Lisa for being born into the Simpson family. The thing is, Lisa actually has things pretty good-- especially by today's standard of living. -- Submitted By: (Travoltron) on May 25, 2011, 3:27 pm - (0 votes) - Login to Vote
18 I'm with Irbloom here. In fact, Irbloom's first March 16 post, which I voted up, is by a wide margin the wisest post on this page. (And his/her last post is the funniest.) I might add that getting in high dudgeon over an annoying cartoon character who is SUPPOSED TO BE annoying is one of those things that separate a well-fed American from a resident of, oh, let's say the Congo. -- Submitted By: (Soggy9000) on May 25, 2011, 2:44 am - (0 votes) - Login to Vote
19 It is still just a cartoon meant to be taken that way. What next - the Wilma Flinstone trial? -- Submitted By: (lrbloom) on April 10, 2011, 10:47 am - (0 votes) - Login to Vote
20 The episode "Bart Gets an F" always had me thinking: If Lisa's smarter than Bart, why doesn't she help him with his homework? -- Submitted By: (Robert) on March 22, 2011, 10:21 am - (0 votes) - Login to Vote

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